Charles Poliquin - No Holds Barred Interview (2005), Ebooki - fitness, bodybuilding [eng]

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training/nutrition
Poliquin Performance
BARRED
INTERVIEW
WL:
So let’s get right down to it Charles. We were just speaking before
we started taping, and it sounds like you are working on some very inter-
esting new technologies here. Tell me about them.
CP:
Well, two of the big things we are doing over here involve the use
of injectable L-Carnosine, and intravenous infusions of Vitamin-C.
These natural substances can both be very anabolic when applied in
the right way.
WL:
So what does it involve?
CP:
With the carnosine, we do site speciﬁc intramuscular injections
into the muscle group that an athlete is about to train. Vitamin C is a
bolus infusion that we do a few times a week max. It may sound odd
to hear such basic things being raved about, but I must say, both of these
programs work extremely well for being natural performance-enhanc-
ing methods.
you should. Charles is one of the world’s most well-
known and respected strength coaches. He’s trained
many top names in both Olympic and professional sports
arenas, and has introduced a number of revolutionar y
training and supplementation techniques to the field of per-
formance enhancement. In this issue, Body of Science
publisher William Llewellyn sits down with Charles for
Part I of a two-part interview. This interview took place right
before the 2004 Olympics, where a number of Charles’
athletes were competing. Sit tight and get ready, because this
is a no fluff piece. We’re asking the questions that most
other magazines are afraid to, and printing the answers they
would probably have censored!
WL:
Give me an example of someone you are using Carnosine with.
CP:
I’m working with a man that is 2nd in the World as a sprinter now.
He never thought he’d beat the likes of Tim Montgomery. He’s going
to the Olympics this year as a long jumper and sprinter. We did the L-
Carnosine with him, and it has worked really well.
WL:
What kind of applications/athletes? Endurance or someone
focused on speed sport?
CP:
All types, but more strength athletes. For example, you take
someone that develops his training with a typical strength training
method, where there are, say, 5 sets of 5, which is typical. He’ll get 5 reps,
then 4, couple sets of 3. You hit him with the injectable LC, and that day
he’ll get 5 sets of 5 no problem, and probably with more weight.
Progress in the gym is a function of total tonnage and average inten-
sity. And it helps on both.
The people I train are mainly strength and power athletes. I
haven’t done this with the endurance athletes. But I think anybody that
wants strength and muscle-size increases will ﬁnd that this will help
bring this on much faster.
WL:
Have you been able to put numbers on some of the gains that you
have seen?
CP:
I would say that it probably gives you a 25% advantage over
training naturally.
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WL:
That’s substantial!
CP:
Basically. Hypertrophy is total volume of work, done at an inten-
sity maintained at, at least, 70% of max. That’s why carnosine favors
hypertrophy. The only problem is that we usually do the program with
the Vitamin C therapy, so it’s hard to say which one did what. But I’ve
done on myself either LC or the Vitamin C therapy. The advantage of
the Vitamin C is a reduction in body fat, if you were to choose between
the two.
Actually, guys with 6% body fat, who are already quite lean, with
twice a week of just adding the Vitamin C therapy, can go to 2.8. This
is with no change in diet or anything.
Two of the big things we are
doing over here involve the use of
injectable L-Carnosine, and
intravenous infusions of Vitamin-C.
WL:
So, give me some of the background on where these techniques
and research came from.
CP:
I actually hired as a consultant the guy who wrote the book on it.
His name is Tom Levy and he has actually come down to train my doc-
tors and staff. The guy is really brilliant. I would say in the last 10 years,
this is the most amazing thing that I have done.
WL:
So,Vitamin C is something we’re going to see competitive body-
builders take an interest in?
CP:
Yeah, I’ve got my Throwers doing it now. They find they’re
already lean, but their speed will go up because they are getting even
leaner. I think more competitive athletes will do that. Bodybuilders too.
WL:
What is Tom Levy’s background?
CP:
He’s an MD. He’s a cardiologist and he’s also a lawyer. He worked
as a forensic expert before. I sent him all my weirdest cases. He treats
with Vitamin C and by hyperbaric chamber. The only thing he doesn’t
treat you for is being late for your taxes. He’s got two tools in his box and
he uses them well. He’s big on glutathione therapy too. I got that from him.
WL:
What about side-effects? Do you see any serious risks with these
techniques?
CP:
No, none at all really. There can be a lowering of blood sugar with
Vitamin C that we need to watch with some clients. They are both natu-
ral and very safe techniques.
WL:
So what does he think about how you’ve been applying his work
with your athletes?
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CP:
Actually, when he came here to give a lecture to my doctors and
my staff, I showed him the data that I was using.You know, not with a
sick population, but with a healthy population. He was quite impressed
with the results. Now he’s actually treating athletes in the Danbury, CT
area using those same protocols for performance enhancement.
where their performance was not going anywhere. I said,‘Okay, come
in and let’s test your mercury’, and it came back at 128, which is VERY
high. This was a vice president of a major bank, ver y driven type of lady.
We treated her for mercury, and in six treatments she’s down to 58. With-
out change in training, diet, or anything, her body fat went from 18 to
11. It was just from the mercury detox. We have found a lot of people
who can’t get lean no matter what they do. When we check their heavy
metals, they always test positive. Then we detox them depending on what
it is. You know, it’s different depending on whether you’re treating for
nickel,mercury,arsenic,or lead.We give them a detox protocol based
on what they need. If it’s teeth causing mercury, the teeth have to get
ﬁxed ﬁrst. If you don’t get the teeth ﬁxed, nothing is going to happen.
After we remove the source of mercury from the body, we treat to elimi-
nate what’s around. And as their strength start to go up, body fat starts
to go down. Mercury will block the conversion of T-4 to T-3. Basically,
it’s become a standard test that we do with every athlete. It’s amazing how
many people have some issue with heavy metals.
WL:
You mentioned to me that you got this treatment yourself ﬁrst for
a medical condition. Do you mind me asking the details surrounding
that?
CP:
Not at all. I had a series of heart attacks back in 1994. It was due
to mercury poisoning from my teeth. At ﬁrst, they thought it was a mag-
nesium problem, which was true, but it was not the cause. Two of my
brothers died of heart attacks at a young age.You see, with mercury poi-
soning, let’s say we both had a level of 50 mercury in the blood, and 3
is the acceptable norm, you might suffer from insomnia and prostate
pain, while I might have heart attacks but we may have the same mer-
cury dosage.
WL:
I do understand that mercury poisoning can cause a very diverse
set of problems.
CP:
It depends on which tissues it likes to go to and infect in the body.
There are people that have a mercury level of 18, which isn’t that high,
and they have chronic fatigue syndrome. The more protein you eat, the
more you can mask the mercury poisoning. I have seen a tri-athlete
It’s amazing how many
people have some issue with
heavy metals.
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WL:
Just how common would you say it is?
CP:
It’s common especially with guys who
have had a lot of dental work. Hockey players
have the worst teeth in pro sports, so the odds
are greater that they will need to detox for
mercur y more so than football players.
Another thing we do is run stool tests for
parasites and fungus, which is far more com-
mon than mercury. During the last 7 years, I
haven’t seen one normal stool sample. Look
at Adam Nelson; he just threw 75 feet last
weekend, which is the best throw in the world
right now in shot put. He came in as a client,
went through my program through an asso-
ciate of mine, and won two Olympic Silvers,
and one World Champion Silver. Initially, I
wasn’t very happy with the progress he was
making, so we ran a stool test. It came back
positive for a bacterium that blocks the
absorption of protein and gives you diarrhea.
teria that you only can contract in the Soviet
Union. I said, ‘When were you in the Soviet
Union?’ She said,‘1996, I went to Leningrad.’
I asked her if her symptoms started after
Leningrad, and as a matter of fact, they did. So,
we treated her for that, and her so-called
fibromyalgia went away. I’m amazed with
how it is. If you ate at a restaurant in San
Diego, a few years ago, the odds that you
would catch an intestinal bug was 1 out of 7.
N o w, i t ’s 1 o u t o f 6 a n d i t ’s i n c r e a s i n g .
WL:
Yo u k n o w , a f t e r t a l k i n g t o y o u , I d o n ’ t
know what the fuck is wrong with me now. I’ve
probably got heavy metal poisoning, bacter-
ial parasites, and am now afraid to go out to a
restaurant. Thanks!
it. Four years go, I ran a lot of food sensitivity
tests and basically everybody I coached had
allergies to beef, whey protein, casein, milk,
and eggs. When we found people were having
problems with protein, we found they were
always eating the same protein foods, so then
we would go on a diet for six weeks where they
don’t eat those foods and we found that when
we retested them, they were now not allergic
anymore.As long as you keep varying the diet,
they weren’t noticing food allergies. The point
is that with protein, we need to be varied in our
diet. I basically don’t run food sensitivity tests
anymore because we always see the same
results, and we found it’s the same way to ﬁx it
all the time. You just sit down and tell the ath-
lete to eat some buffalo or ostrich instead of
beef.Most bodybuilders eat tuna,chicken,and
beef, and if you run a food test, it’s, say, tuna
and chicken. Take away the tuna and chicken
for six weeks, and you’re not allergic to them
anymore. Just by varying the diet you help
with protein consumption. The guys that use
the most stimulants, for example, have the
most food allergies too because stimulants
lead to leaky gut syndrome. You get larger
proteins from food into the blood stream,
and then your body can develop antibodies
to it.
WL:
How did you treat that?
CP:
The doctor and the lab we use run tests
so we can identify which drugs and which
natural agents will work.We normally would use
something like black walnut, which is fairly
gentle on the body. But in this case, there are
maybe six drugs that work, and he was resis-
tant to every natural agent. So we took one
drug,which was the shortest course,and it
basically got rid of it in ﬁve days. As a result, he
put on 25lbs of lean body weight in the space
of a month, which was amazing. You got to
remember that he had a roommate that was
basically eating all of his protein. See, during
training he was able to call up additional
motor units, but he wasn’t able to make them
grow. You may say, ‘wow, that’s enormous’,
but it’s normal in that now those ﬁbers that he
actually accessed has protein to feed them. Not
everybody can put on 25lbs in lean mass like
that, but if they are that well trained, yeah. His
incline press shot up 125lbs within weeks!
Can you hold on for a second? (Speaks
brieﬂy with a doctor) I am getting an IV while
I am talking to you.
WL:
Oh yeah? What are you getting?
CP:
Just straight Vitamin C, a 50g bag.
CP:
You know what’s funny? The worst
offender is Vegas, and the worst thing you
can do there is to eat at a buffet. We used to
work with a guy who ran the stool tests for us.
Now, we use a different lab, but when we used
to run our stuff with him, he’d always say to us,
‘If you want to avoid bacteria, don’t go to a buf-
fet and don’t go to Las Vegas.’
WL:
So aside from changes in blood sugar
from Vitamin C therapy, do you see any risks
with either?
CP:
Nope, we haven’t seen anything. Actually,
I interviewed Tom Levy for my website
last week on that topic, and he said he’s
been doing that for 20 years and he’s never seen
anything else but the blood sugar issue.
WL:
It’s amazing that these are things in the
background affecting your progress you don’t
really think about
CP:
You know what? The stuff that we’re
finding is amazing. I’ll give you another
example. There was this one woman who
coached on a national level for ﬁgure skating
who came to see me. She complained that
she had ﬁbromyalgia, so I asked, ‘Have you
ever done a stool,’ (which I ﬁgured she had)
and she said no. So, we ran the tests on her. It
turned out she had two weird strands of bac-
This will complete Part I of our interview. If
you thought this was interesting, wait until the
next issue. Part II of our hard-hitting interview
with Charles Poliquin delves into the taboo
issue of drug use in competitive sports.
Poliquin discusses the invasion techniques
of the old East German Olympic doping
machine, as well as the current state of drug
culture in professional sports, including foot-
ball, basketball, and hockey.You won’t want to
miss a single word!
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WL:
Aside from the stool and heavy metal
tests, would you run any other kind of basic
testing on your clients?
CP:
Another thing we used to do, but don’t
do anymore because it’s almost too common,
is test for food sensitivities. When people
have an aversion, it’s usually to proteins, and
there’s nothing you can really do to get rid of
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